tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-108340941503318870.post4900397637056859618..comments2021-06-10T14:53:55.046-04:00Comments on Archived U.S. Fleet Forces Command Blog (2009-2012): Revised Missions, Functions, and Tasks (MFT)Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-108340941503318870.post-76114341907335865872010-11-04T11:36:44.947-04:002010-11-04T11:36:44.947-04:00Sir, in your opinion who should "own" th...Sir, in your opinion who should "own" the CGs in the basic and maintenance phase? Who above the CO is directly responsible for tracking and managing the execution of these phases and the transition to the integrated phase and then deployment? Are TYCOM staffs equipped/manned to manage to the level of detail necessary to track all our premiere Aegis combatants through these phases? Have the strike groups been completely divested of this responsibility?<br />v/r<br />AnonymousAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-108340941503318870.post-7952852422236235472010-10-15T09:07:24.506-04:002010-10-15T09:07:24.506-04:00Anonymous (last poster),
You ask a very good ques...Anonymous (last poster),<br /><br />You ask a very good question. First, the reason that SURFLANT is assigned ADCON over DESRONs and PHIBRONs, but not CSGs is simply because the composition of the CSG includes forces assigned to different Type Commanders (e.g. AIRLANT for the CVN and AirWing). That is why CSGs are aligned under C2F supported by the Type Commanders. <br /><br />The second part of your question regarding dual chain of command is a little more complex. There are indeed two types of control as you point out - OPCON and ADCON. Every deployable unit has these two chains of command and is often responsible to two different commanders if OPCON and ADCON do not "flow" through the same commander. The key distinction here is that the type of control exercised by each Commander is different and well defined in joint doctrine. This does not mean that when an event occurs, both Commanders will not be impacted and must be informed by the unit, but the direction given to that unit should not conflict as long as each commander is acting within the limits of his/her authorities.<br />All the best, JCHjrADM J. C. Harvey, Jr USNnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-108340941503318870.post-69159529960479800272010-10-15T09:03:28.734-04:002010-10-15T09:03:28.734-04:00Team,
Thanks for the comments.
First, I want to...Team, <br /><br />Thanks for the comments.<br /><br />First, I want to tell you up front that the SecDef decision to recommend the disestablishment of JFCOM was an issue completely independent of the changes CNO approved to the CPF/USFF MFTs. These changes were absolutely necessary to clarify Fleet command and control and were not driven by other external events; ADM Walsh and I had been working this issue since October 2009.<br /><br />Second, the revisions to our MFTs do not change the administrative control (ADCON) for any ship, squadron, submarine, or unit. Each TYCOM is still responsible for manning, training, and equipping those forces previously assigned to them.<br /><br />So what did change? <br /><br />First, the responsibilities of AIRFOR, SURFOR, and SUBFOR (previously known as the “Fleet TYCOMs”) have changed from “establishing and implementing policies and requirements” to “developing and coordinating common policy and standards.” I understand that this may be perceived as inside baseball stuff, but it is very important for clarifying command and control and ensuring only one Commander is accountable for his/her forces. “Establishing and implementing policies and requirements” is a method for implementing control. Therefore, all policy must be established and implemented via the chain of command (e.g. USFF to AIRLANT to the USS ENTERPRISE). If a policy is common to both Pacific Fleet and USFF forces, it will be established and implemented as a joint instruction (e.g. AIRPAC/AIRLANT Instruction vice AIRFOR Instruction) to maintain clarity of C2 and accountability.<br /><br />Second, AIRFOR and SURFOR were ADCON to USFF, this resulted in AIRPAC/AIRFOR and SURPAC/SURFOR reporting to (and taking direction from) two Fleet Commanders. Both Type Commanders now only report to U.S. Pacific Fleet. Because AIRFOR, SURFOR, and SUBFOR are responsible for “developing and coordinating common policy and standards” no forces are assigned to them and, therefore; this change does not affect the assignment of forces as I mentioned previously.<br /><br />Finally, I agree with CDR Salamander that a visual can be very helpful. And he’s right, we do have some charts that I have posted on my website that I hope you find useful. (http://www.public.navy.mil/usff/Documents/mft_charts.pdf)<br />Again, thank you for your questions and comments, I hope this helps clear up some of the confusion. All the best, JCHjrADM J. C. Harvey, Jr USNnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-108340941503318870.post-28810253625060193372010-10-12T09:16:51.631-04:002010-10-12T09:16:51.631-04:00Sir,
I also don't understand. There is still...Sir,<br /><br />I also don't understand. There is still not a unity of command. The Strike Groups still exist only in the operational chain. This creates a mass of confusion. When an event happens, the Strike Group wants to respond as does the TYCOM, this creates a situation in which the ship feels like it is serving two masters.<br /><br />The Navy has made the decision to align the PHIBRONs and the DESRONs in both the administrative chain under SURFLANT and the operational chain under C2F yet to administratively align the CSGs/ESG under C2F. Why not align the CSG/ESG ADCON under the TYCOMs and OPCON under the numbered fleet. This would seem to alleviate the feeling of a dual chain and bring even more clarity. <br /><br />I find the structure as it currently exists to be confusing and duplicative.<br /><br />Very respectfully,Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-108340941503318870.post-55488857041131950502010-10-11T09:45:24.818-04:002010-10-11T09:45:24.818-04:00And that warship had better be a CVN.
ByronAnd that warship had better be a CVN.<br /><br />ByronAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-108340941503318870.post-58196836169002062672010-10-11T07:58:18.027-04:002010-10-11T07:58:18.027-04:00As a few have outlined above, unless someone has b...As a few have outlined above, unless someone has been soaked in the details of Staff Weenieism for the balance of their careers - they are going to have a very hard time understanding this very important move. <br /><br />It would be very helpful to all involved if there was a C2 diagram made available - a before and after shot. That way, people who are confused - which would be 98.7% of the people reading the P4, press release, and this blog - could have the C2 diagram in one hand as a guide to understanding the verbiage describing the change.<br /><br />ADM Harvey, the roll out is not going well. I know the C2 PPT slides are somewhere - if they could be published in a place easy for people to get hold of them - it would bring the level of understanding to a significantly higher level.<br /><br />As a side note - the sun looked brighter when I saw the term "Enterprise" go. Only one thing in the Navy should have "ENTERPRISE" in its name - and that would be a warship.CDR Salamanderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05981221786954902349noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-108340941503318870.post-90331093139606514872010-10-08T19:06:28.308-04:002010-10-08T19:06:28.308-04:00Jonah said...
Sir, Bravo!!!!! This post should be...Jonah said...<br />Sir, Bravo!!!!! This post should be the next topic of all wardroom training sessions. Hopefully, the readership will understand the difference between an integration-behavior model and the responsibility-authority-accountability model.<br /><br />Amidst plenty of C2 confusion, this change essentially preserves the goodness of integration of Ech 1-Ech II, Provider-TYCOMs, and CPF-USFF via AIR/SURF/SUB FORs and re-affirms the tried and true C2 (responsibility, authority and accountability) of the Type Commanders--SURFPAC, SURFLANT, AIRPAC, AIRLANT, SUBPAC, SUBLANT. <br /><br />Great idea getting rid of the "Enterprise" term that unintentionally evolved in degrading C2. In our line of work, accountability for performance must reside with an individual and not a board room.<br /><br />All units should be able to clearly articulate their administrative C2 structure. Further, with the standdown of C2F, the operational and administrative C2 structures get real simple. <br />V/R JonahAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-108340941503318870.post-23976890274207962762010-10-07T22:02:58.987-04:002010-10-07T22:02:58.987-04:00Sir,
Post-XO, post-CSG staff, working at the Penta...Sir,<br />Post-XO, post-CSG staff, working at the Pentagon guy here. I read you post and I read the P4.<br /><br />I don't get it. <br />V/r,Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-108340941503318870.post-75150745824154182012010-10-07T12:35:52.510-04:002010-10-07T12:35:52.510-04:00Sir,
Is there a diagram available that will help ...Sir,<br /><br />Is there a diagram available that will help clarify the changes?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-108340941503318870.post-78317161076475899282010-10-07T12:23:07.693-04:002010-10-07T12:23:07.693-04:00Sir,
I'm confused about our new chain of comm...Sir,<br /><br />I'm confused about our new chain of command. Have read the 5440.77A and 5450.337A and that really didn't help much. It looks like USFF no longer has any ships and aircraft to man train and equip by the OPNAV instructions. Navy news CHINFO release backs up the new instructions. <br />This is made all the more confusing by 2nd FLT and JFCOM going away. <br />Do we answer to PACOM for ship maintenance, training and future planning?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com